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The Reserve Bank of India (RBI) hiked its key policy rates, repo and reverse repo, by 50 basis points each. This surprised the street, which was expecting the regulator to hike rates by 25 bps. In an interview with CNBC-TV18's Latha Venkatesh, Subir Gokarn, Deputy Governor, RBI said, just as the RBI is talking about its trajectory for inflation, it would also start worrying if growth goes down. “If growth were to start slowing down significantly below 8%, it would most likely be accompanied by a decline in inflation rate as well,” he added. |
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Below is the transcript of his interview.
Q: When would Reserve Bank start worrying about growth? When would you estimate that growth has fallen significantly? I know your fan chart indicates that you estimate a 90% probability that growth would be between 7.5-8.5%. So, would your worry start, if it is below 7.5%?
A: I think it is difficult to put that sort of mathematic precision on the number. Just as we are talking about our trajectory for inflation, we would also start worrying if growth goes down. I also want to say that the more realistic trajectory or the pattern is going to be that if growth were to start slowing down significantly below 8%, it would most likely be accompanied by a decline in inflation rate as well. And that is really how we are expecting to bring inflation down. So, the two will go hand-in-hand. If that happens, then that is really not inconsistent with our objective because at that point we can start changing our stance on the anti-inflation front.
Q: But circumstances could play a different trick on us. We understand from our correspondents in Delhi that North Block was pretty shock by 50 bps hike. Apparently, they weren’t expecting it. Do you think it will become politically more difficult raising rates here on?
A: I can’t really comment on the politics of this.
Q: The argument would be that you would expect inflation to come down, when growth starts wearing off. But it is quite possible under the current circumstances that you have had your impact on growth, but inflation is not coming down entirely because of global factors. What will you do if global factors propel?
A: That is incomplete reading of the combination. The equation is very straight forward. There are two factors that are driving inflation today. There are global commodity prices and there is domestic demand. Now if one of these were to start easing, within our control is domestic demand, then at whatever level commodity prices are that should bring inflation down. On the other hand, if commodity prices were to go down sharply, just visualise the scenario, then I had a given level of domestic demand, inflation would come down sharply. So, it is really a combination of these two factors that we are giving as guidance. Now what is the outlook on commodity front? At this point, given the pattern of the last few weeks, it appears that while they may remain high for sometime, the prospect of very significant further increases is not seen. It may happen. But the baseline outlook does not seem to be very malignant there. They may not come down very sharply. But even if they remain where they are, the slowdown in demand should help to bring inflation down. And that is the broader scenario with which we are looking at or in which we are visualising the trajectory of inflation over the course of the year.
Q: There are some economists who are visualizing other scenarios as well, for instance six months down the line or even earlier its not improbable that the ECB will be printing Euros, some kind of quantitative easing, buying back debt, may be Greek debt, Portuguese debt because they have run out of other options because politically asking more money from the richer countries or fiscally surplus countries is going to be difficult. A QE3 in the US is also not really ruled out if unemployment continues to be the way it is. So if there are really more Euro’s and Dollar’s in the system six months down the line the probability of continued global commodity inflation really cant be ruled out?
A: Yes, absolutely but the comparison has to be with what inflation would be without our action versus what it would be with our action. Because of impact we are having on domestic demand the inflation rate will be lower as a result of having acted than as a result of not having acted. We can’t control global commodity prices. The scenario that you are laying out may well happen although I don’t think at this point it’s a very high probability scenario. Not that the responses are not likely to happen but the impact on commodity prices may not be as dramatic as it was in the last round. But that’s not something we can sort of make a policy decision today on. We have to watch the developments and respond to them as appropriate. But for the moment domestic inflation number is high, clearly commodity prices are contributing to it but so is a relatively buoyant state of demand which is something we are trying to address through our policy action.
Q: I completely agree, today your response is completely logically supported by the arguments you are making. I am only visualizing a situation where not just India other emerging markets will also possibly face this quandary where they have done their bit to bring down growth but there are other factors that have taken inflation even beyond current levels?
A: In that situation you have to decide on what is the maximum level of inflation you are going to be willing to leave with particularly given the risk of spiraling. Even in that situation, we keep talking about the limits of monetary policy and what it can do and what it cannot do. But at the end of the day if inflation is being driven by factors that are not amenable to monetary action, the minimum objective of monetary policy should be to contain the spill over. That means keeping demand at a level which tries to minimize that spillover happening. That’s been the broad approach which we followed over the last one year but as of end of 2010 we saw commodity prices moving to different trajectory. That in combination with still buoyant domestic demand took inflation to new trajectory and that over a period of time required stronger response and we have continued to do that because the trajectory has not changed yet.